Saddam verdict lacks details
The final court session and verdict today were fast, direct and clear, but not clear at all.
In less than 10 minutes, Saddam Hussein was told he was guilty of crimes against humanity, but never exactly how or why.
Was it the witness testimony that proved Saddam's guilt?
Was it Saddam’s own acceptance in court of overall responsibility for the draconian punishment his regime carried out of the villagers of Dujail after a 1982 assassination attempt in the town? Was it documents the prosecution said Saddam signed ordering the deaths of Dujail residents that ultimately swayed the judges? We still do not know.
The full verdict, a document of several hundred pages, explaining how and why today’s judgment was reached was not released. U.S. officials said it should be ready by Thursday. So why issue the verdict today? U.S. court advisors told reporters today it was delayed mainly for technical reasons. All insist the verdict was not politically timed and that it was an Iraqi decision; there is no reason to doubt their word.
The furthest the chief judge went today to explain why Saddam was sentenced to death was to say Saddam was found guilty of Article 12 A, through Article 15 B, of the Iraqi High Criminal Court Law (the tribunal trying Saddam's constitution). All that means, examining at the law, is that Saddam was guilty of "willful murder" because he had "ordered, solicited or induced the commission of such a crime, which in fact occurs or is attempted." Saddam Hussein was found guilty of ordering murders. Who he murdered, how, when and what proved his guilt, we are told, will be explained on Thursday.
It was not sufficient for the International Center for Transitional Justice, an NGO that has been monitoring the trial since the beginning. In a statement tonight the group said, "Today's verdicts were delivered in a 40-minute session that gave little indication of the judgment's detail and reasoning."
On the “Today” Show this morning Michael Scharf, one of the leading experts on the Saddam trial, said the Dujail case was easy to prove and that his guilt was clear. I believe Scharf is correct. There was an assassination attempt on Saddam in 1982 and the Iraqi dictator oversaw a massive revenge campaign, even awarding medals to some of his henchmen for punishing his enemies and their families and neighbors. But the lack of clarity today adds fuels to critics who say Saddam's trial was politically motivated and that the verdict was rushed to meet American political deadlines -- the very accusation Saddam Hussein's lawyer made today.
Saddam was almost certainly guilty, but why? It's still unclear.
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Yes, it appears that the GOP machinery is alive and well, and so much the better for them that they have a nasty Dictator for fodder in their "shell game".I for one shall be voting clear eyed and early to "Throw the Bums out".
Norm, San Clemente, Calif. (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:35:23 AM)
The verdict wont be ready until Thursday but for some reason its released now! This administration is pulling to many strings. It is clear why the verdict was released early to most Americans.
Tony Ciecierski, Erie, PA (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:39:48 AM)
he was not only a killer,but a pig theif,istead of spending millions on himself why could he not have fed his people,there is no place on earth for people like him.stop the crap and let him hang for his crimes
Bob Allen Jr. (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:43:28 AM)
Saddam is a modern day Hitler. How many more innocent people, including Americans should he have been allowed to murder? By going in and cleaning out training camps how many attacks and murders have been prevented? We forget about that. Who is making this political? If Clinton, a Democrat, had taken a stronger hand at attempting to prevent terrorism against the U.S. would we have to do it now? Will we be protected if the Democrats run our country? All I hear is talk about pulling out of Iraq. I'd like to hear someone talk about protecting the U.S. instead of attacking the efforts made, right or wrong (in hindsight), thus far! Hooray, for the people of Iraq!! The road ahead of them is long and hard, but we should pray that they can rebuild their country without the fear of their Hitler returning! Hooray for President Bush doing his best to protect America and her people. Even after 9/11 our daily lives have changed ever so slightly. That is leadership. I may not agree with everything, but must give credit where credit is due. I shutter to think where we might be right now if Mr. Kerry had been elected President. If the timing of Saddam's sentence reminds us of that, shame for us needing a reminder.
C Davis, Dallas, TX (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:46:22 AM)
Saddam got his punishment and all I see in here is "Wanna be" defense lawyers. There is so much stupidity by people,one must wonder if they aren't Saddam loyalist. If you agree with his ways, go over there and live. If you want to live in the United States, do some research and you will see why he was sentenced to death. Try looking into a 12 years old's eyes, as I did. A young Kurdish girl, who's family was gased by Saddam loyalist in 1988. Then you want to compare President Bush to Saddam. What a shame you come to a blog site to show your dis-loyalty to the United States of America. All you are showing the enemy is there is no concinnity here in the United States. Saddam did nothing except perfidy other faiths and was obstreperous in showing that he was in rule and prevaricate in every speech he made. To bash the President of the United States, because Saddam has been sentenced, shows, those of you, that you have NO loyalty to the United States of America. People, such as you, aren NOT the backbone of this country. (Don't worry. I'm a Democrat, but I believe in supporting the country I live in. I am switching parties this election, because of the "Nasty Trash Talk" by people against our country, that claim to be Democrats.
CS, Baltimore, MD (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:49:24 AM)
If Bush is guilty of war crimes so is the Senate Congress and the American People.
Our System does not support a dictator such as Saddem who did what ever he wanted without checks and balances.
The measure of a country is how many want to get in not how many want to get out.
Tis My Country and My President and I laud him for keeping us a Christian Country as our Pilgrim fore fathers wanted us to build.
Perhaps we should have beheaded Sadam in the hole we found him in as they would have done to any of our people. Sadam makes a mockery of the court system and still rouses his people and sares them into thinking he is commming back to rule.
The sooner he is out of the picture the quicker things will be settled over there and our boys can come home.
Vote and determine and make sure your country is Christian but allows all to worship whom ever.
The silent majority will vote what is right.
Claire "Kilbey" Dotson of Town of Waukesha Wisconsin USA (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:49:42 AM)
I hope the same standards apply to Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld. I hope they will be tried in a foreign country, while their defense attorneys are gunned down, and Judge's replaced to give them a fiar trial. The numbers are wrong. 10,000 have been killed in Iraq of America's soldiers, they just don't count the ones who were killed not in direct battle. 600,000 Iraqis have ben killed, then the morgue was ordered to stop giving us the numbers. 21,000 troops have been wounded in Iraq with lost limbs, blindness, etc. Another 15,000 have been brought back to the US unfit for war because of psychological trauma. We have reduced their pay because we are no longer in a "war", so the soldiers pay goes down. Yet the deth toll goes up. Haliburton split it's company into 2 other ghost companies so they will bid on the contracts they were not allowed to bid on. Tony Snow, White House spokesperson has been made CEO of one of them. Can you rape, pillage, kill and destroy anymore than these 3 arrogant White House heads of State have done. There is no court in the world that would find hanging good enough for these 3. We have insulted the whole world with our actions. I'm ashamed to be an American
Sandra Downs (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:58:12 AM)
In fact, the trial of S.H. was by and large commical. There is really little doubt in somebody stating after the verdict, that the end of that particular trial has left more questions than answers.. about the court process and its deliverables! Could it be that "the means justified the end?"
O. Rhee Hetanang (Sent Nov 6, 2006 9:58:33 AM)
In fact, the trial of S.H. was by and large commical. There is really little doubt in somebody stating after the verdict, that the end of that particular trial has left more questions than answers.. about the court process and its deliverables! Could it be that "the means justified the end?"
O. Rhee Hetanang (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:00:07 AM)
Keep your stupid religion out of this. Religion gets us sectarian strife...in Iraq AND in the USA. And for what? So your small brain doesn't have to break a sweat comprehending the vastness and disinterest of our universe? Criminal.
Sean Torrington, CT (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:00:38 AM)
I am a retired Navy man. Thirty Six years of serving my country. A republican. This administration has shamed all of us
Bob Selma Oregon (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:04:10 AM)
PS George Bush is the Hitler, not Saddam Hussein. If you haven't noticed we are the ones trying ot overtake the world. And just for your information, Prescott Bush, George's grandpa was a Nazi fundraiser and supporter and was convicted of it. We just brought the Hitler here and put him in power. It took a generation to forget who the Bush's are. Check it out for yourself.
Sandra Downs (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:04:29 AM)
...following on what Prime Minister Blair is quoted as having said, one could only but admire him for his solid stance on the aspect of PRINCIPLE! Whether anybody agrees which the "War in/on Iraq", including Britain's role there.. it is a different question. The PM's stance in opposition to execution is a demonstration of clear politics on principle! I have always admired his traits in governance.
O. Rhee Hetanang (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:04:50 AM)
Maybe we should send some of you people over to Iraqi to live. Then you might really appreciate America a lot more.
I have a son-in-law in the Military who I love like my own. He has been to Iraqi twice now. We feared for him every moment. There is a big problem over there and they need our help. I have been told by the best, that these people are greatful to us (Americans) for our help. If we turn our backs too soon they are doomed and what we have acomplished will be lost. The lives we have lost would have been for nothing.
Wake up people, the press is not always true, they are trying to run America. They paint the pictures the way they want you to see it. Step back and watch them, its a joke.
Saddam Hussein got what he deserved, now finish it quickly, justice needs to be served.
Osama bin Laden my guess is, he is dead!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
kcw South Carolina (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:06:15 AM)
I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that most of the bashers and flamers on here never served one minute of time in defense of our country!!
I did.....4 1/2 years as a matter of fact, and it sickens me to see such blatant anti U.S. rhetoric. Freedom of speech? Sure, I fought for your right to it.
But, I'm reminded of an old saying "America, love it or leave it", and if your seeming hatred for our land, government and way of life bothers you so deeply, then perhaps you SHOULD just leave it.
Bottom line is Saddam is a horrible, evil dictator who slaughtered THOUSANDS more people than what this part of his trial brought to light, and FINALLY something was done about it. Later than it should have happened, sure, but to many of you it wouldn't matter WHEN this happened, you'd still find fault that it did happen, and take every opportunity to flame the country many of us risked our lives to defend against people exactly like Saddam Hussein!
Michael Jenness, Mosinee, WI (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:29:25 AM)
It's all about lies and OIL. Yes, where is Osama Bin Laden? What businesses are the Bushes in? OIL. Isn't it convenient that before the election our prices at the tank have come down. What do you think they will be after the election, not to mention home heating oil that they are now saying there is a shortage of. HOW convenient. Saddam should have been dealt with internationally, not by the Americans. MR. GUN HO Bush forced his beliefs and lies of WOMD on us and we had no chance to even think about it before our young men and women were being killed and innocent Iraquis as well. Yes, how convenient, again, that the news of the verdict, but not the actual documentation has come to light just before another election.
Caroline Ciochetto, Greenport, NY (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:35:20 AM)
TO THE PEOPLE THAT LOST FAMILY FRIENDS AND OTHER LOVED ONES IN THE 9 11 THIS IS A BIG STEP IN HEALING BUT ITLL NEVER BE OVER AND WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO PRES. BUSH AND TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED BRING SADAM TO JUSTICE BUSH HAS MY VOTE
CAROL ADAMS DALLAS TEXAS (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:38:09 AM)
ITS ABOUT TIME THE TRIAL IS ENDING. SADDAM DESERVES WHAT HE IS GETTING.
JEREMY, LEXINGTON KY (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:40:58 AM)
It's pretty stupid even to coubt that it wasn't politically motivated. Republicans had nothing but negative argoments on their side just before the election. So, they tried to lessen it....
But let's supposed for argument's sake that they (republicans) did not influence the Iraqi court. Those Iraqi officials knew exactly that a republican defeat by the Democrats could mean the end of US military support. Since everything goes so bad in Iraq, they tried to give a boost (very little) nto their cause....
But....in any case, I stay with the first version as truth (the second was a mere meditation).
Stephen Szabo (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:44:02 AM)
Will a swinging Saddam be our Happy Birthday, Jesus present to the world? What's wrong with this picture? Jamie Rodriquez
Jamie Rodriquez, Lexington, Okla. (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:44:21 AM)
The Bush/Cheney Adminstration is lying to the American people once again. I guess the Republican posters here don't care, but I do. Lying is wrong.
The reason the verdict isn't ready yet is b/c the U.S. lawyers are still drafting it in Washington D.C. There was no reason for a kangaroo court that announces the verdict on Karl Rove's schedule without releasing an actual written verdict. Saddam should have been tried in a competent international court. There was never any doubt about what the eventual verdict would be.
Anyone who thinks that his sentencing and death will make a bit of difference in Iraq is delusional. He's been in prison for a long time, and Iraq has only gotten worse.
John Doe, Seattle, Wash. (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:44:53 AM)
Michael Jenness, I HAVE served in the U.S.Navy. And I, unlike some people, still reserve the right to use my brain. And my brain tells me that attacking a sovereign nation for an act it did not commit is wrong. Why did we let Osama go free? Are you going to blame Clinton?
Bob Leimbach (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:45:34 AM)
I won't shed any tears over this verdict, as Saddam got off easy.
However, if you don't think the verdict was politically timed - you're a fool. The verdict won't be ready until Thursday - so WHY release it now. It's obvious. EVERY thing this administration does has been political. Putting your head in the sand, bashing those who exercise their freedom of speech, and blindly waving the flag, doesn't make you a good American. It makes you an embarrassment.
S. Hingles, Northampton, MA (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:49:39 AM)
Is it any surprise the verdict is guilty? Who on earth could ever come to a conclusion other than guilty - not only of this crime -as charged, but the dozens of others awaiting...that is if he lives long enough.
Enough about politics. Who cares about this so-called 'press release' just before elections. Contrary, no matter what day of the verdict, someone would have been able to draw a parallel to the Bush administration....Can't win for loosing
Bill - Dallas, TX (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:50:50 AM)
I don't think that they should hang Saddam. Even though he killed a bunch of people. He still deserves to live like everyone else. He's just a person who screwed up and needs a second chance, or if the really want to kill him leathal injection or a quick painless death.
Axemann, Battle Ground, Washington (Sent Nov 6, 2006 10:51:48 AM)
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